In Sufie Kamil view, faith and reason, spirituality and science, the sacred and the material, cannot be divided into easy binaries. He sees people as “spiritual beings dabbling with the material rather than the reverse”, and liberation as the fundamental longing in every form of life. Truth for him is a living experience instead of a destination, a conclusion, or a matter of metaphysical speculation. The possibility of self-realization, he strongly believes, is available to all. Drawing upon extended conversations with Marifah.